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« on: June 05, 2008, 07:09:58 AM »

I'm a freelance FileMaker Pro 8 and 9 Certified Developer. Last year I was looking for companies that needed FileMaker help. I found FMDN (FileMaker Developer's Network www.fmp9.com) by Joe King in a Facebook group of FileMaker Developers. I replied to his ad requesting developers to work on freelance projects. We talked on the phone and he agreed to pay me a rate of $30.00 per hour. He reiterated our agreement by email which forms a legal contract.

We worked together on a project back in November 2007 for a total of 20 hours. I completed all the tasks and sent him an invoice. It's been six months now and he hasn't paid me. He claims that his associate collected the funds for that project and stole the money and that's the supposed reason why he hasn't paid me. His associate claims that he never collected the funds and that Joe King hasn't paid him. They've put me in an impossible situation which is typical of a scam.

If any developer or company reads this please be aware that FMDN has been dishonest with me and has literally stole my work.
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2008, 01:10:26 PM »

Jose has posted this message here as an attempt to discredit our company and has threatened to make additional posts if we do not pay him. The truth is that Jose delivered 'junk code' which did not result in billable time. Our policy is not to charge a client for any coding not approved by a senior level project manager. In short, we only charge (and pay developers) for billable time. This is part of the 'value-add' we provide our clients.

There are a huge number of 'amatuer' developers which charge huge amounts of time for little work. Many clients lack the skills to identifiy how long these tasks should take. There is also a 'higher standard' that a 'professional' developer should be held to. We applied this standard to Jose's work and it did not pass.

We have successfully completed projects for two state governments, a federal agency, several Fortune 500 companies, and countless small businesses. Most of our developers have been with us for a long time, and we have had very few issues with qulaity of work, but Jose's attitude made it impossible to work with him.

As you can see by his post, he would prefer to argue and threaten, rather than focus on creating quality database solutions. I don't like to 'air' our issues in public but since he made the original post, we would like to warn anyone else about Jose by outlining our experaince with him.

1. He stole our clients by offering to work for them directly, without the superision of FMDN staff- yet he still was using FMDN software, tools, servers, and other resources.

2. His time was way out of proportion for the work which was done.

3. He refused to give details about how much time was taken for given tasks.

4. He delivered work directly to the client, and refused to have a project manger review his code.


There are a ton of these guys on the internet, which are constantly looking for new projects. They prey on their clients by offering a lower rates; however, they lack the experaince, the resources, or the support to deliver 'best of class' solutions.

Although we did not make to choice to make the initial post, we see this as an example of how FMDN saved the client from being charged for amatuer work. We see this as an example of how we represented the client before a 'newbie' contractor. We regret ever giving any work to Jose, but we all realize that it's hard to locate quality talent. In this case, the work was successfully completed by 'established' FMDN developers and the client's needs were addressed.

We have found the 90% out of this guys mouth is a lie. If he had a 'real' case against us, he would have taken this up in the courts. Instead he's hoping that if he complains enough, we will pay him to shut up- that is not the case, we do not waste our client's money to pay developers to 'shut up'.

We have been doing FileMaker development since 1988. We have a long list of qulaity clients, and a team of established FileMaker talent. If one would-be developer wants to complain because he couldn't work in a professional environment, we can't be concenered with that...


Thanks,


Joe


Joe King
Certified FileMaker 7/8/9 Developer
President
FM Developer's Network
joe@fmp9.com
865-384-8353

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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2008, 04:15:33 PM »

I don't want to discredit anybody. The only fact at hand is the following:

Joe King requested my services as an Independent Contractor in November 07, the services were delivered and he accepted them and he agreed to pay. I invoiced him and he never paid. His associate requested my services as an Independent Contractor in March 08. I stupidly accepted and I didn't get paid for that either.


Joe King wrote:

"1. He stole our clients by offering to work for them directly, without the superision of FMDN staff- yet he still was using FMDN software, tools, servers, and other resources."

This is irrelevant for the November 07 job. I did all the work directly with Joe. I never had contact with the client. But he might be referring to the March 08 job, in which I offered my services directly to the client since I noticed he wasn't going to pay. And that is not stealing.

We never signed a non competition agreement. As an Independent Contractor I'm free to offer my services to whoever I want.

He libelously claims I stole his tools. But all the work was done from my desktop computer, through my business internet connection, with my business copy of FileMaker. I only used his FTP server to upload my work for the November 07 job.

Joe King also wrote:

"2. His time was way out of proportion for the work which was done."

The work done in November 2007 was for two separate clients.

One included consolidating a FileMaker 6 solution with approximately 7 tables in one FileMaker 9 file. And the other building approximately 4 different layouts. The invoice for both clients totals 20 hours at a rate of $30.00, that is $600. I invite any FileMaker developer to give her opinion on this matter. Joe's claim that my hours are out of proportion is unfounded.

In fact, it's a blatant lie. He sent me the following email stating that my hours and his estimate were close:

from   Joe King <svkingpen@aim.com>
to   "me"
date   Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 5:17 PM
subject   RE: time
mailed-by   aim.com
hide details 11/15/07
   
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The XXX stuff looks good so far… I did find that the Value list for the Rolodex file have disappeared, which I didn’t expect; but it should take that long to re-copy those layouts. I think that your time and my estimates are very close…

The March 08 was accepted and paid by the client. I know that because the client sent us the scanned check made payable to FMDN. That means FMDN accepted my hours as billable and the client accepted FMDN's invoice. And Joe didn't pay for that job either.

Joe King also wrote:

"3. He refused to give details about how much time was taken for given tasks."

Another absurd claim. Both of Joe King's outstanding invoices (November 07 and March 08) display the number of hours for each task. I don't understand why hours are suddenly an issue. He never mentioned this to me before.

Joe King also wrote:

"4. He delivered work directly to the client, and refused to have a project manger review his code."

Again, the only work I did directly for a client was in March 08, five months after the November 07 job which Joe King never paid. I started the March 08 job under FMDN and I never got paid for that portion of the work.

I didn't refuse to have an FMDN project manager review my code. There was no attempt by an FMDN project manager to review my code. In fact, I never met an FMDN project manager. Joe must be referring to himself.

But that's not important. The point is: Joe King's client tested my solution, her in-house developer reviewed the code and they accepted the work and paid FMDN for it. And I know that because the client sent me a scanned check made payable to FMDN. And Joe King didn't pay me.

I just want my payments. But that may be impossible, since even his associate confirms he is a dead beat.

from   sales@fmp9.com <sales@fmp9.com>
to   "me"
date   Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 3:13 PM
subject   More work great job
hide details Mar 3
   
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Joe and i really had it out the other day because he is notorious for not getting people paid including me.
He is such a space cadette sometimes so we need to be relentless about it.
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« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2008, 07:41:19 AM »

I'd like to second this complaint about Joe King and his "FileMaker Developer's Network" -- stay away from him! He will steal your money. I'm not a contractor for Joe, but rather a client.

I contracted Joe King on a work for hire basis to complete a design document for a programming project in the beginning of May, 2008. For this project, which was organized on the website getacoder.com, Joe King charged me USD $250, which I paid promptly via PayPal. After making the payment and sending a signed contract to Joe, I heard nothing back from him. I waited until June, then until July. During this time I sent multiple emails to Joe at joe@fmp9.com (his PayPal address), svkingpen@gmail.com (his secondary address). I sent these emails from my professional account and my gmail account. Joe never answered. I phoned Joe several times at his business phone number (865) 384-8353, and left messages. Finally, in July, after waiting two months without hearing anything from Joe, I decided to cancel the project and request a refund. I managed to reach Joe on the phone at this time, and he agreed to pay the refund. It has now been two more months, and despite having sent Joe multiple PayPal reminders, he has not refunded me the money.

To summarize, I paid Joe King $250 for a service to be performed. He did not perform the service, ignored my communications, and pocketed the money.

I am unfortunately beginning to think that I was the victim of an Internet scam, and that I'm not the first person to fall into the trap. Other postings on the Net suggest that Joe King is not a scrupulous person to deal with (http://www.digitalripoff.com/index.php?action=printpage;topic=3.0).

I am still hoping that Joe will do the right thing and refund the money that he owes us. If not, we will ask PayPal to proceed with eliminating his highly dubious account, and we will take appropriate action with the anti-fraud authorities in Joe's home city of Knoxville, TN.

I half expect that Joe will reply to this message with a bunch of lies in an attempt to distort the facts, as he did with Pay Up's message in June. If this happens, I merely wish to remind readers that all of the facts that I have presented are true, and verifiable, and that this is not the first complaint Joe has received.

Any other victims of Joe King? Please speak up.
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